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Topic: Seven Samurai (or other Japanese films)

I picked up this film cheaply as it is well-regarded, although I have watched almost no Japanese cinema to day unless Enter The Dragon counts.

Anyway, I'm not a martial arts or action lover, but read that the Seven Samurai is an important film in terms of cinematography and production, and many elements and techniques can still be seen in modern films.

At 3.5hrs I keep putting off my viewing, but having returned home early today feel I might attempt it.

Is such an epic too much as an introduction to the genre? 

http://www.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~sklar/teaching/s09/cis3.5/who/francisco/7samurai2.jpg

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Darren wrote:

I picked up this film cheaply as it is well-regarded, although I have watched almost no Japanese cinema to day unless Enter The Dragon counts.

Anyway, I'm not a martial arts or action lover, but read that the Seven Samurai is an important film in terms of cinematography and production, and many elements and techniques can still be seen in modern films.
At 3.5hrs I keep putting off my viewing, but having returned home early today feel I might attempt it.
Is such an epic too much as an introduction to the genre?

Give it a go. It's not hard going particularly if you watch it over a few nights.

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Oh Darren, you have a world of marevels and joy awaiting you with Japanese cinema (Enter the Dragon is Chinese, made in Hong Kong and should not be spoken of in the same breath - anyway confusing Japanes and Chinese cinema is like confusing Hollywood with Bollywood).

I adore Japanese film and some of the early Television. I grew up watching Ultraman (TV). He was cool.

Anyway. Kurosawa is an utter genius! Start with your Seven Samurai, then Ran (based on King Lear), Throne of Blood (Macbeth obviously), The Bad Sleep Well (Hamlet). He has a grasp of Shakespear that is astounding!

Almost all of his work has been remade by Hollywood and others. Kubrick, and Spielberg, Bergman, Lumet,  Scorsese amongst other greats regarded him as one of the world's greatest film maker (he directed, produced, edited and wrote the screenplays).

I am copying this from wiki as it's easier than typing it all out myself. The man is a film god!!!

Influences

A notable feature of Kurosawa's films is the breadth of his artistic influences. Some of his plots are based on William Shakespeare's works: Ran is loosely based on King Lear, Throne of Blood is based on Macbeth, while The Bad Sleep Well (1960) parallels Hamlet, but is not affirmed to be based on it. Kurosawa also directed film adaptations of Russian literary works, including The Idiot (1951) by Dostoevsky (his favorite author) and The Lower Depths (1957), from the play by Maxim Gorky. Ikiru was inspired by Leo Tolstoy's The Death of Ivan Ilyich. Dersu Uzala (1975) was based on the 1923 memoir of the same title by Russian explorer Vladimir Arsenyev. Story lines in Red Beard (1965) can be found in The Insulted and Humiliated by Dostoevsky.
High and Low (1963) was based on King's Ransom by American crime writer Ed McBain. Yojimbo may have been based on Dashiell Hammett's Red Harvest and also borrows from American Westerns. Kurosawa was very fond of Georges Simenon and Stray Dog was a product of Kurosawa's desire to make a film in Simenon's manner.[13]
Cinematic influences include Frank Capra, William Wyler, Howard Hawks, his mentor Kajiro Yamamoto, and his favorite director John Ford,[14] whose habit of wearing dark glasses Kurosawa emulated. When Kurosawa met Ford, the American simply said, "You really like rain." Kurosawa responded, "You've really been paying attention to my films."[15] He would later instruct Yoshio Tsuchiya, one of the actors in Seven Samurai, to retrieve the same hat Ford wore during that meeting.[16]
Despite criticism by some Japanese critics that Kurosawa was "too Western,"[17] he was deeply influenced by Japanese culture as well, such as the Noh theaters and the Jidaigeki (period drama) genre of Japanese cinema.
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Influence

Seven Samurai was remade as The Magnificent Seven (1960)[18]. Seven Samurai is also considered the progenitor of the "men on a mission" film, popularized by films such as The Dirty Dozen (1967) and The Guns of Navarone (1961). The film is also recognized for popularizing the use of slow-motion in action films/sequences.
Rashomon was remade by Martin Ritt in 1964's The Outrage. Several films and television programs have also come to use what is known as the Rashomon effect, wherein various people give opposing or contrasting accounts of an event; these films include, but are not limited to Vantage Point, Courage Under Fire, Hero, Hoodwinked, and The Usual Suspects. Tajomaru, a film that centers on the eponymous character from Rashomon, was released in 2009.
Yojimbo was unofficially remade as the Sergio Leone western A Fistful of Dollars (1964) (resulting in a successful lawsuit by Kurosawa)[19] and was remade as the prohibition-era film Last Man Standing (1996). Sanjuro was remade in 2007 as Tsubaki Sanjuro, directed by Yoshimitsu Morita.
The Hidden Fortress (1957) was remade as The Last Princess (2008) and is an acknowledged influence on George Lucas's Star Wars films, in particular Episodes IV and VI and most notably in the characters of R2-D2 and C-3PO.[20][21] As well as using a modified version of Kurosawa's signature wipe transition, it has been observed that specific scenes from various Kurosawa films have been emulated throughout George Lucas's Star Wars saga.[21]
Remakes for Ikiru[22] and High and Low[23] are in progress. Second remakes for Rashomon and Seven Samurai are also on the way.[24][25]
The following directors either were directly influenced by Kurosawa, or greatly admired his work:
Satyajit Ray[citation needed] - the great Indian director (famous for his Apu trilogy) and winner of Oscar Lifetime Achievement award.
Andrei Tarkovsky[26][27]
Ingmar Bergman[28] - "Now I want to make it plain that The Virgin Spring must be regarded as an aberration. It's touristic, a lousy imitation of Kurosawa."[29]
Federico Fellini[30] - Having only seen Seven Samurai from Kurosawa's oeuvre, he still thought Kurosawa was the "the greatest living example of what an author of the cinema should be."[31]
Bernardo Bertolucci - "Kurosawa's movies and La Dolce Vita, Fellini, are the things that pushed me sucked into being a film director."[32]
Robert Altman[33][34]
Sidney Lumet - "Kurosawa never affected me directly in terms of my own movie-making because I never would have presumed that I was capable of that perception and that vision."[35]
Sam Peckinpah - "I'd like to be able to make a Western like Kurosawa makes Westerns."[36]
Roman Polanski[37]
Steven Spielberg[38] - "the pictorial Shakespeare of our time"[39]
Martin Scorsese[38] - "His influence on filmmakers throughout the entire world is so profound as to be almost incomparable."[39]
George Lucas[21][38]
Francis Ford Coppola[40] - "One thing that distinguishes Akira Kurosawa is that he didn't make a masterpiece or two masterpieces, he made, you know, eight masterpieces."[41]
Zhang Yimou - "Other filmmakers have more money, more advanced techniques, more special effects. Yet no one has surpassed him."[42]
John Milius[43]
Takeshi Kitano - "...the ideal definition of cinema: a succession of perfect images. And Kurosawa is the only director who has attained that."[44]
John Woo[45][46] - "I love Kurosawa’s movies, and I got so much inspiration from him. He is one of my idols and one of the great masters"[47]
Werner Herzog[48] - "Of the filmmakers with whom I feel some kinship Griffith, Murnau, Pudovkin, Buñuel and Kurosawa come to mind. Everything these men did has the touch of greatness."[49]
Antoine Fuqua[50]
Alex Cox[51]
Arthur Penn[52][53]
Spike Lee[citation needed]
Sergio Leone

Last edited by Bull.ed (2010-03-02 21:20:37)

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Ignore Racey's advice and watch it properly.

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Watch it in one sitting.  One of the greatest films that influenced many others.  Bull.Ed says it all.  A masterpiece.

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I'm ten minutes in. Will update tomorrow.

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Watch "The Magnificent Seven" after. It's a great remake as a Western with an Elmer Bernstein score.

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I watched as much as possible last night but have a little bit to finish this evening.

It was good and I'll provide full comment later.

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Darren wrote:

I watched as much as possible last night but have a little bit to finish this evening.

It was good and I'll provide full comment later.

I told you it would be a struggle to watch it in one sitting wink

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racey wrote:
Darren wrote:

I watched as much as possible last night but have a little bit to finish this evening.

It was good and I'll provide full comment later.

I told you it would be a struggle to watch it in one sitting wink

I just happened to be tired. I'll be more prepared in future!

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Darren wrote:

I watched as much as possible last night but have a little bit to finish this evening.

It was good and I'll provide full comment later.

Hi Darren,

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts in the fullness of time.

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There probably isn't much to say about this film that hasn't already been said. The Internet Move Database, for example, contains hundreds user reviews.

Four hundred years ago poor Japanese villagers enlist the help of samurai to protect themselves from bandits: the story is simple but the artistry is in the attention to detail and overall quality of filmmaking.

The film moves at a steady pace for its three hour duration, allowing plenty of time for character development. My favourite part was probably the first hour or so when the samurai are being recruited in the local town. The middle section seems to drag a little, and then the ending is slightly inconclusive, simply leaving the viewer to reflect.

A surprise bonus was the quality of the soundtrack.

I might watch Seven Samurai again in a year or so to absorb more of the detail. In the meantime I'll seek out similar titles.

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As I suggested, try "The Magnificent Seven". It's an excellent update in Western format with a great score by Elmer Bernstein.
Check it out on IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054047/

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Darren wrote:

There probably isn't much to say about this film that hasn't already been said. The Internet Move Database, for example, contains hundreds user reviews.

Four hundred years ago poor Japanese villagers enlist the help of samurai to protect themselves from bandits: the story is simple but the artistry is in the attention to detail and overall quality of filmmaking.

The film moves at a steady pace for its three hour duration, allowing plenty of time for character development. My favourite part was probably the first hour or so when the samurai are being recruited in the local town. The middle section seems to drag a little, and then the ending is slightly inconclusive, simply leaving the viewer to reflect.

A surprise bonus was the quality of the soundtrack.

I might watch Seven Samurai again in a year or so to absorb more of the detail. In the meantime I'll seek out similar titles.

The first act is great isn't it. I love the 'ending' too, as an object lesson to Holywood. The story chooses a place to stop, rather than end in the ususal tidy way. So much more telling.

Kurosawa films have even more of a sense of scale than David Lean epics. Ran, much like Lawrence of Arabia, come alive on a REALLY BIG screen. The narative and photography speaks for itself!

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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It's also worth remembering that the film was released in 1954, and stood the genre of Westerns on it's head. Almost every Western made since, owes what is often mistakenly thought of as it's modern style, to Kurosawa. 

When discussing the Western genre, film academics and historians will refer to pre-Seven Samurai or post-Seven Samurai as a shorthand to refer to the scale of the story, and the richness of the characters.

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I watched Kumonosu-jô (Throne of Blood), last night.

Being an uncultured thicko I struggle a little with Shakespeare, and putting it in Japanese doesn't make it much easier! Character names did not stick in my head easily because I am unfamiliar with the language, so I had to make an extra-special effort to follow the film, which I only did because of Kurosawa's reputation.

My patience was rewarded as the story developed. A great ambience was created with the fog in outdoor scenes, and some of the indoor sets looked stunning in high contrast black and white. The lead man also has great presence - he's a real nutter.

http://blog.nycopera.com/pr/nycopera/blog/photo/throneofblood6_1_-prv.jpg

http://www.fyms.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Throne-of-Blood-Japan-1957-Akira-Kurosawa1.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_p_BL4jstTf8/SsPV1VdsUeI/AAAAAAAABz4/idO2SDfWVhg/s800/throneblood01.jpg

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Rashomon: very good.

http://www.kurosawamovies.com/gallery/d/1485-2/rashomon.jpg

Tengoku to jigoku aka High and Low aka Heaven and Hell aka Ransom: absolutely fantastic!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/tomasutpen/50cc351d.jpg

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That Kurosawa geezer. He's a bit good.

Lucky for Hollywood that they have so much great material to copy.

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When I'm at a computer I'll write a bit more about High and Low. It is one or the best films I've seen.

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Darren wrote:

When I'm at a computer I'll write a bit more about High and Low. It is one or the best films I've seen.

Very much looking forward to reading it.

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I wouldn't look forward to it too much! It'll be a short summary with limited adjectives.

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Darren wrote:

I wouldn't look forward to it too much! It'll be a short summary with limited adjectives.

Pithy?

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Rashomon

This film revolves around a body discovered in the woods. Four witnesses explain their version of the events at a courthouse, with each story replayed from a different angle. It is left for the viewer to decide who to believe.

It is a simple but effective film that majors on acting, script and photography — an intriguing mystery. Rashomon is no doubt an inspiration for modern film makers such as Tarantino, who often uses the technique of showing differing stories to merge at a final climax.

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High and Low

This film is a beauty. Real ten out of ten stuff.

It is  much more modern than any other Kurosawa I have seen so far, being based in 1960s industrial Japan.

The lead character, Gondo, is a director at a factory who has been raising funds to buy-out the rest of the board and take control of the company. To cut to the chase, Gondo's chauffeur's son is then kidnapped; Gondo ponders the dilemma of whether to use all of his buy-out money to pay the ransom; he agrees to pay.

For the most part of the film we see the hand over of the funds and then the investigation to find the kidnapper. The story running in the background is about Gondo losing his place on the board.

The plot isn't particularly complex but there are some good twists and it is remarkably well executed. It is quite western-ised and therefore accessible for us as viewers.

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Ikiru

This one is almost as good as High and Low. I certainly preferred it to the other Samurai films.

It tells the tale of a man who has worked at the City council for thirty years, to then find out he is ill, hasn't much time to live, and decides to make the most of it.

Superb acting, character development, lovely photography, etc, etc.

10/10

http://billsmovieemporium.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/ikiru.jpeg

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