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I think this needs putting into context. Most people don't have problems provided they don't buy B & W's biggest monsters for their 2/3 bed semi, but the rooms used for the Bristol Hi Fi Show do, although not at sensible levels and with careful speaker positioning.
This is because, unlike most houses, the walls, ceiling and floor are all thick concrete, so noise doesn't escape to adjoining rooms. Imagine how Horse "interviewing" a possible secretary might go down with neighbours were the construction different.
If a recording company wanted huge soffit mounted monitors in a Marriot bedroom, an acoustician could design traps to make them work well. I've seen it done on many occasions, been amazed at how effective it is and wondered why on earth some hi Fi shops don't do the same.
I've also wandered round CES to see some rooms so full of Tube Traps and other hi end six moons style magic, that there was little  space left to  sit and hear no sonic benefit at all. Often they weren't needed anyway.
Ash

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Bull.ed wrote:

I think they are talking about the ridiculous 'tubes' and foam pillars that audiophile nutters use, not the corners traps that you and I will have come across in custom designed pro studios.

I see. Well, if that's the case, I agree with Ash on this one big_smile

Sod it!

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As Martin says: Imagine how astronauts sitting up front on an Apollo spacecraft would feel if a scientist was sniffing the other end to see if the fuel needed more oxygen!
Yet idiots build whole hi Fi systems and buy non or barely functioning acoustic treatments using similar methods.
If you are interested Paul and Hugh at SOS are qualified and experience and provide excellent advice. Their website is good.
Ash

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Whilst the comment regarding masonry walls and the benefits they have as for sound isolation is correct, they have very little absorption at low frequencies, which is why there can be bass issues in masonry walled rooms. Here in NZ where we tend to use wood framed plaster board walls this is less of a problem. But small(ish) rooms will still have modal issues and this is what "bass traps" attempt to address. But low frequencies have long wavelengths and so are not going to me effected by 50mm of foam on the wall or in the corner.

Larry

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I have a chandelier in the lounge, is this a bad thing.? (please say yes!!) smile

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Minty wrote:

I have a chandelier in the lounge, is this a bad thing.? (please say yes!!) smile

Yes of course it's good. You often see them in brothels and bondage parlours in TV drama.
Ash

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Digressing slightly, one of the nicest recordings I ever made was when we videoed a recital at Regents Park Open Air Theatre when I was still based in London. Even the intermittent birdsong added to the sense of occasion. Sadly, I understand that they no longer perform music there anymore and concentrate solely on theatrical performances.

A bit impractical for a living room I guess!
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Ashley James wrote:
Minty wrote:

I have a chandelier in the lounge, is this a bad thing.? (please say yes!!) smile

Yes of course it's good. You often see them in brothels and bondage parlours in TV drama.
Ash

I think Spanky (Max Mosley) has some!

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Bull.ed wrote:
Ashley James wrote:
Minty wrote:

I have a chandelier in the lounge, is this a bad thing.? (please say yes!!) smile

Yes of course it's good. You often see them in brothels and bondage parlours in TV drama.
Ash

I think Spanky (Max Mosley) has some!

I best not mention my attic...

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So the moral of this story then, if I understand correctly, is passive woofers
in the same cabinet as the mids/tweeters, can be a real management challenge.
That certainly has been my experience, but I've only recently figured it out.
I've had four sets of large floorstanders over the years. Back in the day, I had
a bass/treble/loudness buttons on my preamp remote, so could at least cut
the booming when necessary. Not a perfect solution of course, but better than nothing.
I have to say though, I had the same issues with at least one set of passive monitors --
8" woofers, ported design. They could really boom too.

The advantage of a separate subwoofer for deep bass, would be location control,
and level control too I suppose. I've never owned a sub. I watched a friend
try to 'integrate' his with some sort of room EQ software, which he never did get
right for his tastes. The rigamarole I witnessed kept me away from subs.
( He finally just turned the darn thing down, and was satisfied. )

My pro audio friends don't use the DSP on their M-Audio gear. They said
something very similar to what Bull.ed has written on the subject.

The only other alternative worth mentioning is dipole bass, which can help
with the room modes issues -- less total output, about -6db at 30 degrees,
basically null at 90 degrees. It does work. But it comes with lots of other
caveats of course: must be active, ( or huge -- Jamos for example ) requires a larger room, etc etc.

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Michael

Booming is more often caused by speakers than rooms, particularly in the States where such a wide range is available to suit different acoustics and tastes. However a passive three way's lower crossover does more damage than the single high one in a Two way, so boom is worse. Boom is a time rather than amplitude artefact and more likely to excite room problems.

I guess a smaller speaker or dipole works better in your home, but these big monsters sell over there so some houses must let excessive bass out through the walls.

Ash

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