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Topic: Spectral Content of Music

Below is a measurement of the spectral content of music.

In this instance some quite bright sounding Acoustic blues, so brighter than classical music or jazz. Please note that most of the energy is between 100-500 Hz, which is to be expected as this is an octave or so each side of middle C. This is fairly representative of music generally as we've discovered this morning trying a number of tracks.

Please note that by 5 kHz the SPL is 20dB down or about ambient noise level in your sitting room assuming a listening level of about 80dB.

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Ash

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Mahlers 8th.

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1068 performers may be very loud and take up plenty of space but they still don't occupy a lot of bandwidth!

Ash

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Ash,

The peaks above are around -40dB.

Are these very quiet tracks or is it something in your graphing package?

Shake your Snaic with me.

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Darren wrote:

Ash,

The peaks above are around -40dB.

Are these very quiet tracks or is it something in your graphing package?

It is an time average where the full audio output would be 0dB so you can see that the average is about 40dB down on peak output!

Martin Grindrod BSc Electronics
Director, Founder and Chief Engineer - AVI HiFi
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shenzi wrote:

Does point up how critical the mid-band is. ("It's where we live," as Paul Klipsch wrote in his original article on the Klipschorns.)

It most certainly does and also calls into question the wisdom of putting crossovers as in big three-ways or elderly monster two-ways in this region.

Ash

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And to round off the equation here is some modern commercial rock music with exaggerated bass and treble, but still with the low end centred on 80Hz.

To some up, we have three genres here, the top one of well recorded acoustic blues music, the second of a mammoth symphony orchestra, choir and organ and the third modern commercial rock.

These are time averaged plots just intended to show where the bulk of the energy is in music. They show how critical the 100 Hz -1 kHz region is.

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Ash

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Regarding choice of x-over point(s), why would a company like PMC build these
new ( very expensive FWTW ) two-way actives with the x-over at 1.4 khz?
I'm assuming there must be trade-offs involved with decisions like this?
What would they gain by the relatively low x-over point?

http://www.pmc-speakers.com/product.php … ;show=spec

But then in one of their three-ways, x-overs at 380 hz and 3.8 khz ...

http://www.pmc-speakers.com/product.php … ;show=spec

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Ashley James wrote:

It ... also calls into question the wisdom of putting crossovers as in big three-ways or elderly monster two-ways in this region.

When I first heard Jordan speakers it was a two way crossing at 150Hz (bass to mid-treble driver). Superb imaging. The pair I later built used a revised driver at 500Hz x/over and never quite achieved the same imaging. The fullrange does it though, presumably no phase mucked up by the x/over.

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MM wrote:

Regarding choice of x-over point(s), why would a company like PMC build these
new ( very expensive FWTW ) two-way actives with the x-over at 1.4 khz?
I'm assuming there must be trade-offs involved with decisions like this?
What would they gain by the relatively low x-over point?

http://www.pmc-speakers.com/product.php … ;show=spec


But then in one of their three-ways, x-overs at 380 hz and 3.8 khz ...

http://www.pmc-speakers.com/product.php … ;show=spec

I would think that since they have decided to partner the LF unit with a 34mm HF unit it is because the LF unit response falls off around 2kHz so they have to cross over lower, the downside is that the HF unit will still be providing audible output around middle C, not good.

The cross over frequencies in the 3 way are 'industry standard'

Martin Grindrod BSc Electronics
Director, Founder and Chief Engineer - AVI HiFi
http://www.avihifi.co.uk/who.html

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Rod Elliott argues a case for a 300Hx x/over, based on similar power going to the drivers above and below that frequency. Presumably not such a good idea from the point of view of musical content.

His article is here

http://sound.westhost.com/bi-amp2.htm#freq_sel

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So assuming I understand Rod Elliot's commentary ( big if ), is he not saying finally,
that active x-overs are a whole different deal, where x-over points are concerned? ...

"It is not at all uncommon to see systems where the crossover frequency is set right in the middle of what I call the "intelligence band". This is the range of frequencies from 300Hz to 3600Hz, and is extremely important from a psycho-acoustic point of view. ..   It contains nearly all the "intelligence" of the sound, which is to say that if this band is "corrupted", intelligibility is greatly reduced.

Should a crossover be unavoidable in this region - due (for example) to available loudspeaker drivers - then the manufacturer must go to great lengths to ensure that "artefacts" created by the crossover are not audible. This often causes greater problems with amplifier loading at the crossover frequency, since impedance dips seem a common problem with many speakers. It will be found that these almost invariably occur at the crossover frequency.

By using an active crossover network, it should be possible to get excellent performance almost regardless of what the crossover frequency may be. The final setup will still have to be carefully aligned to make sure that there are no major issues with either driver at the selected frequency. In the course of many experiments and tests, it is safe to say that a properly set up active crossover gives one far more flexibility than almost any passive version, with the great advantage that no loudspeaker impedance correction is needed."

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MM wrote:

Regarding choice of x-over point(s), why would a company like PMC build these
new ( very expensive FWTW ) two-way actives with the x-over at 1.4 khz?
I'm assuming there must be trade-offs involved with decisions like this?
What would they gain by the relatively low x-over point?

http://www.pmc-speakers.com/product.php … ;show=spec

But then in one of their three-ways, x-overs at 380 hz and 3.8 khz ...

http://www.pmc-speakers.com/product.php … ;show=spec

I owned a pair of AML1 for a long time. They are absolutely superb and worth the asking price I think. In general the advantage of a lower crossover point such as the AML use is more consistent dispersion. This is highly important to sound quality because of the way the speaker will interact more ideally with the room. The disadvantage is generally higher distortion from the tweeter since it now has to work harder, hence the reason they use a larger than standard dome in the AML, a waveguide, and probably a very sharp crossover.

I'd rather have a well implemented crossover at a 'bad' frequency (say 2KHz), than a worse one at a supposedly 'better' frequency (say 5KHz).

When it comes to the importance of the spectral frequency of music you should bare in mind that we judge the loudness of sound levels on a per octave basis, not per frequency. So something that sounds equally loud across the spectrum to us actually falls by 3dB SPL per octave.

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Simon wrote:

[In general the advantage of a lower crossover point such as the AML use is more consistent dispersion. This is highly important to sound quality because of the way the speaker will interact more ideally with the room.

When it comes to the importance of the spectral frequency of music you should bare in mind that we judge the loudness of sound levels on a per octave basis, not per frequency. So something that sounds equally loud across the spectrum to us actually falls by 3dB SPL per octave.

Two very important - and in my view often misunderstood - points here.

Larry

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Ashley,

What are you using to generate these spectra?

Larry

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Ashley James wrote:

Of course!

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1068 performers may be very loud and take up plenty of space but they still don't occupy a lot of bandwidth!

Ash

Sort of depends which of them were actually playing at the time of this quivk sample.  Frequency extremes may not be used often, but they are usually critical when they are being played.  Given the roll-offs in the music, all the more critical that a speaker be able to reproduce them as well as possible, IMO.

Last edited by BruceSeattle (2010-03-05 23:47:03)

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Of course! So we picked the bit with the Organ going hell for leather as the plot shows.
These plots are an accurate indication of the frequency content of most of the music you can buy. After we'd done these we measured some drum and bass and even that was rolling off at 80 Hz. There will be exceptions but not many because producers and record companies realise that most won't hear it and that it makes the mid distort.
In truth most of the "bass" people hear is lack of cone control, often at over 100 Hz and we'll try to explain this with measurements over the coming weeks.
Ash

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I'd say that's true of most bass units under 12" in a typical "domestic" design.

I do remember many years ago having a chap for a dem who'd bought some small Tannoys from a pro music shop. These grey nextel or hammerite covered speakers (PBM8 or somesuch ???????) were the same size but far heavier than the popular original "Mercury" model and sounded in a different league without costing much more as I recall. Probably far better bass damping (larger magnet?).

Last edited by DSJR (2010-03-06 12:54:02)

Peace,

Dave