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Be careful what you wish for. Commercial American television has become a nearly barren wasteland. As soon as they discovered that the vast unwashed masses would watch any cheaply-produced reality show crap that crawled up out of the primordial soup and drew breath, they ran to it like lemmings to the cliffs. MTV, VH1, even Bravo, once our cable "arts" channel (which played lots of BBC re-runs) have become an endless stream of bottom feeders clawing each other blind for their 15 minutes of fame. Comedy, drama, documentary...you know, the kind of stuff that takes actors, writers, an actual production budget...has become an endangered species. More than a decade ago, Bruce Springsteen prophetically sang "57 channels and nothin's on."

Now it's 257 channels. And if you put BBC's Planet Earth on the other side of the scales from of them, it would outweigh the lot.

Tim

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Minty wrote:

Sorry to go off topic slightly, but is this why my BBC channels have a horribly crackly sound.? Makes it virtually unwatchable. (I have Sky+ and all other channels sound ok)

No, that'll be a fault, almost certainly in your setup. I'm talking about the artifacts resulting from bitrates which are too low and excessive automatic audio level compression which are relatively subtle effects.

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I think licence fee is fine as it is, there are enough commercial channels. A slight bias to the left is not a bad thing now we have 2 tory parties.

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I have to agree with Tim, although it's more fun to disagree with him. wink
Commercial American television is an abomination, and it gets worse all the time.
It's just unbearable, appeals to the blissfully ignorant, and needs to be nuked --
it's the only rational way to deal with it. On the other hand, our public TV, and radio
too, with their inevitable failings, are miles above the fray of commercial.
"No one ever went broke, underestimating the taste of the American public."

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Ashley James wrote:

Bloody Keir Hardy!!!
Ash

A great man - long may his name be lauded!

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I'm also with Tim on this. The R4 Media Show mentioned last week that there is room in the fee for it to be reduced as part of it is paying for the roll out of digital television (and digital radio, to a lesser extent). And there's also a chunk being committed to greater broadband rollout in the UK.

The fact is, the licence isn't compulsory. You can own a TV but just not one which is tuned to any stations broadcast from the UK (so no getting round it by only watching Sky). Do without that and you still have free access to all the radio.

It may only be a matter of time before broadband access lumbers you with having to have a licence. Meanwhile, less than £3 a week seems good value for all the radio I listen to plus the occasional Sherlock.

I don't agree with the sanctimonious bilge being put out last weekend about the top executives' pay. Need to recruit commercial class executives, indeed. Didn't need it for Greg Dyke, arguably the most imaginative appointment for DG in a couple of decades.

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I like the BBC cbeebies is excellent worth every penny. The commercial kids programmer are pretty poor by comparison

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My present beef is their obsession with the Labour Party's infighting, the tedious leadership election and the brazen advertising of stinking Blair's book. They have yet to realise that we have an exciting new coalition actually in power now!
The BBC needs to be unbiased and it ain't.
Ash

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Ash after the cons lost power we had parkinston and etal to listen to and BBC played that drama out as we would expect.

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Has Tony got a book out - is it good? lol

But seriously, a quick glance at the posts above and agree with Tim and MM wholeheartedly - American TV was dire when I was there 30 years ago. It appears to be in danger of going the same way here. My daughters get drawn to the reality crap - the latest being some show where morons date in the dark and they find they can't stand each other in the light because they don't look right. And loads of programmes on teenage moms. Just horrible. And to think a couple of weeks ago, half the TVs in the land were tuned to the X factor. God bless the Beeb - must say I don't pick up on an obvious political bias but I don't scrutinise too much.

The girls are obsessed with "Desperate Housewives" at the moment. I have not watched a whole episode yet, but the bits I have sat in on have been rather amusing - it does seem to be rather good.

Phil

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I can't even stand continuity announcers never mind the programs and I think Parkinson is a dull moron who didn't appear to understand what the people he interviewed were saying.
There may be the odd good program, but I haven't seen it, can't be bothered to look for it and don't believe it's worth £3.6 Billion (or 4.6 according to some) of our money every year. 
Ash

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I must say in the overall scheme of things I don't object paying a licence fee as it is small beer compared to things one can't escape like council tax, road tax, etc. It is also optional as one can have a TV to just watch DVDs, etc, and not need a licence fee. Not sure how one would stand watching TV on a computer?

On Tony, I think high profile public figures should be banned from writing autobiographies. Personally, I am not interested in any of them. I look for them to do the job they are paid for as best as possible and do not want to hear all the dirt dished out afterwards. Inevitably, there will be disagreements and mistakes as it comes with the job, but just bloody well have some dignity and keep quiet about it. I am not a Mrs T fan, but think that she did not rush her memoirs out if indeed any were ever published - maybe I am wrong.

Phil

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Mrs t had the advantage of marring money

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I must say that I'm less interested in Blair's autobiography than a £400 mains cable but that won't stop the twittering political classes, particularly beeb acolytes, from obsessing about it for weeks.
Ash

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It's a shame about Tony. I thought he was my friend for life when he chose Free's "Wishing Well" as one of his Desert Island Discs! It didn't last!

Phil

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Commercial television can produce good work, usually after an era of, or as an alternative to horrid crap. Here, for example, as "reality" television, the scourge of all things civilized, rose on the flatus of its mysterious popularity, fueled by low production costs, just exactly the opposite kind of programming began emerging from a handful of cable networks. AMC (American Movie Channel) which started as a sort of vintage film outlet, began producing original programming like the excellent Mad Men, premium (ie: pay extra) cable channels like Stars started doing great series and mini series like Weeds, The Tudors, and the recent Pillars of the Earth, all pretty excellent stuff. Then there is the grandaddy of them all, HBO. Sunday nights (original programming night) on HBO have brought us The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, The Wire, Rome, Deadwood....the list is long. And this is not just some of the best television ever made, it would be some of the best movies in theatrical release. As much as I like to complain about the horror that is cable tv, it has saved American television from its darkest instincts (otherwise known as Maury, American Idol and Jersey Shore). What is missing is the nature and documentary programming. The best of that still comes from National Public Television, and about half of it is bought from the BBC.

Be careful what you toss away.

Tim

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