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Topic: Do you care about 3D TV?

I was browsing the What HiFi forum and there are lots "what TV shall I buy?" threads, which is to be expected.

However, I was surprised that some members were recommending that purchases are delayed until "3D TVs" are released.

I'm not sure what a 3D TV is or how far away it is. Furthermore I expect content to be limited to modern films.

Do I want a melon to fly out of the screen at me when watching James Cagney's Public Enemy?

Are you waiting for a 3D TV?

Shake your Snaic with me.

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Yes, it will be limited to modern films. Unless they start "recreating" the old ones. After all, many of them have been converted to HD already.
Hard to say whether I care about 3D. I've only used "3D" glasses so far (two-colored at home and polarised in a cinema) and it didn't feel very natural. I expect the same from the 3D TV. It is quite an interesting experience but I'm happy with good quality 2D picture for now.

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3D was a big thing in the cinema when I was a kid, so the early fifties. They'd give you specs with two different coloured lenses and it was quite effective.
However I don't think your going to have to wear the specs with these new TVs.
The thing I find extraordinary is that TVs sell so well when quite a lot of the video quality is poor, the adverts drive you insane and, with a few exceptions, the programs are dreadful.
It's probably my age.
Ash

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The only interesting concept is Autostereoscopic TV. There are commercialized models and the public versions should be ready soon.
Polarization or AFS (alternate-frame sequencing) are not interesting, imho.

At the moment, afaik there are some (small) problems of headaches for some people watching autostereoscopic displays. But, I guess, these things will get fixed when the product is ready to hit mass market.

Philips (which has a commercial model http://innowave.blogspot.com/2009/01...-3d-hdtvs.html ) is a bit ahead.
The technology itself is interesting : http://en.zerocreative.com/xyz.

Dimitri

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Nope, I don't.

I have an old tube telly (14"!!) and I won't upgrade to a new flatscreen until I get annoyed enough of the space it uses or it dies. 

I know, I sound like an old fart, but I have never been much of a film buff. I use it for news and for the odd stupid entertainment (NCIS and such nonsense) and when I do watch something, I almost always use my computer simultaneously.

I don't like surround sound either. mad

tongue

Sod it!

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Definitely not interested in buying a 3-D TV. They can prop up the world's consumer society on that one without me.

Actually, the WHF-ers are way behind the curve. They should be advising their forum members to wait for the technology that's coming along after 3-D TV:

www.nanotech-now.com/news.cgi?story_id=08787

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Oh Yes.

Just managed to watch Avatar 3D yesterday. Very simple story but probably one of the most convincing use of immersive visual and sound sensory experience yet. It does feels as if you have been beam into some magical world far away for awhile.

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Agreed.

My view is that this will only work really well at the Cinema or if you use a projector.  I found at the cinema the experience was best when you are concentrating on the centre of the screen and you can't really see the edges outside of your peripheral vision.

My 42" Plasma is a nice size in my Living room, but there's no way it will be big enough for that same immerse experience, which means I need to go bigger, and bigger is more expensive.  Not to mention that the first generation of 3D TV's will be overpriced anyway and probably not up to much outside of 3D material.  I for one would rather have an awesome Plasma (and I do) than a mediocre TV that plays 3D material.

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I supplement my old Trinitron TV with a projector. The resolution is not the highest (it's a business model rather than home cinema) but projected on a large enough screen, the image does tend to grab. I suppose it might be kicking in associations with being in the cinema but I quite like it.

My local dealer has a Sony home projector in for 75% off at the moment but it's still £750. I can't imagine the original price would make it a huge amount better than my £400 NEC.

But they're a neat compromise and getting out the projector does make it more of an occasion (i.e. you can't be bothered unless you really really want to watch that DVD big!).

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I have yet to experience 3D but I imagine it would really be suited to projectors.

I certainly would not be rushing out to buy a new TV to make the most of it. I would at least give the technology time to iron out all potential flaws and also wait for the price to come down from the premiums that will be charged when the first TVs come out....

Still if 3D works as good as it is claimed it does then it may be worth paying the premium to go to the cinema every now and then. Hmmm

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I'm inclined to think 3dtv for homes is a bit of a con, and alot of people are going to get headaches watching it.

In the UK, Sky are broadcasting some football matches in 3d (they've developed an outside broadcast unit in partnership with Sony), but otherwise, I wouldn't expect much content for some time.

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I think you're right, McLog. I really can't see the benefit or the lure. If people were that interested in 3D, why aren't 3D still images widespread?

Sod it!

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The extraordinary thing to me is that TV is dire, really bad unless you're interested in hideous, tacky celebs, their dirty habits, revolting soaps and the occasional movie that might be watchable, there really isn't much need for one, yet people are buying bigger and upgrading more regularly, so presumably 3D will keep them buying.

I shan't bother with it because I don't like the idea of having to use specs all the time, it's bad enough need them for reading.

Ash

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I'm not personally interested, but we got a full demo set up at the store last week, it goes on sale today, and it works. Will it cause headaches during long viewing sessions? I may never know. But assuming that the technology will develop and refine, as they all do, this is probably the next big thing. Out of the gate it is pretty good. In a couple of years I expect it will be mind-bogglingly good.

Tim

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One friend of mine is a classic exampleof what Ashley describes, he had a perfectly respectable 42" Sony model, about 8 months ago, he upgraded to some 46" Sony model that cost him over €2000 (and now sells for less than €1500), and is now ready to buy the latest 3d model.

It's like hi-fi separates, it's just easy to get locked into that upgrade cycle and end up spending a fortune.  I'm still happily running my 29" Sony Trinitron from 1998 that cost me about €400 at the time (top TV at the time).  I'll upgrade it when it breaks smile

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Welcome Mclog by the way.

Just had a dealer here today who's just been to Munich to see the new Panasonic 50" 3D sets. They operate at 1080P by switching at incredible speed between the two images necessary to produce a very effective three dimensional image, but will only ever do this from recorded material on Blue Ray DVD. Sky are the only channel to offer 3D in the near future and do it differently. Their system simultaneously transmits the two images superimposed, so standard definition only because each uses 540P.

Whether other channels will also offer 3D when they seem to be struggling to get HD organised ATM remains to be seen, but this first Panasonic, a 50" model will cost £2700 in the UK, so is firmly in video hi end territory.

Apparently the picture is much better than present TVs with both standard and hi def material because of the phenomenal refresh rate, so there's lots of new technology to interest rather more than the frightful programs.

Ash

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I'm sticking with 2D and SD because there is so much content available at such a small price — DVDs purchased online.

Shake your Snaic with me.

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One thing my friend did say is that the benefit of HD is significantly less at a normal viewing distance, when it can be difficult on a smaller set, say 32" to see any difference.

I believe better sound quality is more important, but I would say that wouldn't I.

Ash

PS. I forgot to mention that the imagery is apparently stunning, the frame appears suspended in space as objects move back away from it and then right out of the front.

Last edited by Ashley James (2010-03-21 19:52:06)

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I did burst out laughing when the 1080P 32" sets arrived in-store.

The engineers must know it's not needed but the punters want it anyway.

Shake your Snaic with me.

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I'm picturing a HD image of an East Ender's starlet (uuuggghhaaa!) cold sore in 3D and it's distressing me.

Here's one:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/20/article-0-08CD146F000005DC-956_468x398.jpg

Ash

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Ashley James wrote:

One thing my friend did say is that the benefit of HD is significantly less at a normal viewing distance, when it can be difficult on a smaller set, say 32" to see any difference.

I believe better sound quality is more important, but I would say that wouldn't I.

Ash


PS. I forgot to mention that the imagery is apparently stunning, the frame appears suspended in space as objects move back away from it and then right out of the front.

Well yes, but it is surround sound we're talking here, not antiquated, legacy 2 channel.

Just so very 20th century.

2 channel belongs with all the expensive legacy seperates boxes that spawned it.

Work of the devil I say.... big_smile big_smile

Give me surround sound any day.... smile

Jon...

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Thanks Ashley, I'm the Scottish guy living in Finland who you put in touch with Johan to have a listen to his ADM9's smile

The Panasonics also come with glasses working in sync with the tv in some kind of shuttering mode as well I think?  It sounds dreadful to me tbh, and I've read of many people who tell that after watching a movie they have terrible headaches.

I had the misfortune to go and watch Avatar with a friend of mine, and had an awful headache at the end.  Also, the glasses were so badly made, that I had a cut across the bridge of my nose sad  3d is dead to me at least until it doesn't require glasses.

I don't really see the point of the companies going ahead with 3dtv, when the hdtv's they produce, on the whole, a picture of worse quality than a decent CRT from 10 or more years ago, with the majority of content that people are watching...

About resolution, certainly on a 32" set, you won't see any difference between 720p and 1080p at normal viewing distance, and I suspect that's the same on a 37" or 40" set.  It's simple science, that the eye is incapable of resolving the difference between these resolutions until you get to a larger size.

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Bloody Ozzies!!!

Ash

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Johan is a lovely bloke, have you met him yet?

The Titanic was so dreadful, I vowed I'd never watch another Cameron movies and the story for Avatar sounded totally non-appealing so I shan't bother with it.

I'll go and have a look when it appears in the shops, but I don't really want or need a bigger set.

Ash

Last edited by Ashley James (2010-03-21 20:23:41)

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I went to Johan's last year for a listening session, if he hasn't bought the 9.1's yet I'll try to return the favour soon .

Spared myself the misfortune of seeing Titanic but hype led me to Avatar to see what the fuss about the visuals was about.  Given effectively unlimited cash to spend, it's hardly surprising that it looks good, but it's not so much more visually spectacular than any other CGI movie, and the story is dross.