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2 hours of pure, nonsensical, disjointed rubbish neutral

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And, to add insult to injury, it was in 3D.

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Even the 3D effects were rubbish. It must surely be Ridley Scotts worst film and by a long way.

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Naaah, surely not! I haven't even seen it yet but I find the harsh criticism hard to believe. I'm going to see it next week at my local IMAX when the mad rush has died down a little...

I wonder if because theres been such a monumental amount of hype/anticipation surrounding it, perhaps folk have raised the bar too high for themselves. At the very least I'm expecting a decent Sci-Fi with some interesting moments, and the visuals do look fantastic...

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I enjoyed it. Certainly wouldn't bother with 3D, though.

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maxflinn wrote:

2 hours of pure, nonsensical, disjointed rubbish neutral

That's sounds like my kind of film.*  big_smile

*Assuming that it has enough hot women and special effects to make up for being a stupid film I don't mind. smile

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I'm looking forward to the blue ray. I'm sure I'm gonna love it. smile

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As a literary critic I might be prejudiced — but I more and more often choose films and TV series after screenwriter rather than director. Even the worst director will have a hard job destroying a good story, while the best director can't make up for a bad script.

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Just got back from the cinema, having seen Prometheus.

Good points: I got to keep the 3D glasses.

Bad points: Everything else.

It's like Alien but with 90% less tension and 300% more gloop. Agree with Max, worst Ridley Scott film I've seen. The 3D was interesting, purely because it was my first 3D film. I don't know if anyone else tried this, but I took off the glasses a few times and found it made very little difference. I'm not convinced it was 3D all the way through.

I agree with T.B. that it's worth checking the writer before the director. However, I thought Scott had a bit more about him than this.

As a prequel, it's a sort of sequel - so it's entirely my fault for ignoring my own NO SEQUELS rule.

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Now I can see why I'm seen as such an outsider here - an "Alien." Just seen the film locally and loved it, after weeks lurking through many of the forums devoted to it. Some fanboys try to over-analyse it and compare it with the first Alien film, which they blindly (IMO) see as the all encompassing end-reference that all others be judged by. Others like some of you come out thinking "Meh...." and just dismiss it as a waste of time. I just really enjoyed the two hour ride (an early father's day present) and can't wait for the sequels to it, as well as the DVD release with twenty minutes extra footage..

Oh ye of little whatever........

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Oddly enough I haven't seen the whole of Alien in one go, just caught bits of it on TV over the years. I did see the sequel, Aliens, which was fun. After that, they became more predictable and messy. I'd recorded Alien and watched half of it prior to going to see Prometheus. When I got back from the cinema, I was so irritated I erased Alien without watching the rest.

My hatred of Prometheus stems from a few things

- mad plot inconsistencies, e.g. why did the android stuff strange things into one of the human's drinks and how did that then lead to his wife's pregnancy with an alien?

- gore for the sake of gore

- what was the android up to anyway? It seemed like a throwback to the original Alien

- it was lazy; even the characters fell into the same groups as the original film - likeable (probably survive or die in heart-rending fashion), not-likeable (will die first)

I guess it boils down to a wasted opportunity, in my view. It had some striking images, good ideas (I loved the hologram of the engineers recorded in the tunnels) but then threw them away to turn into another messy alien-horror-schlock-fest.

There's talk of a sequel. I hope he does it because it'll distract Scott from making a sequel to Blade Runner.

I'm beginning to have a problem with S-F films; they've all become (a) horror (b) Star Wars sequels or (c) James Bond in Space, with a Baddie who Must Be Stopped. The Star Trek reboot fell into that category, fun though it was.

Science fiction with a sense of wonder appears to be an endangered species.

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shenzi wrote:

Science fiction with a sense of wonder appears to be an endangered species.

Agreed

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Ashley James wrote:
shenzi wrote:

Science fiction with a sense of wonder appears to be an endangered species.

Agreed

Also agreed. I remember the scene early in the original Alien movie, where John Hurt goes into the spacecraft, it was brilliantly done, very imaginative and suspenseful. Prometheus totally lacked that IMO.

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Ashley James wrote:
shenzi wrote:

Science fiction with a sense of wonder appears to be an endangered species.

Agreed

+1

Hollywood could do better if they started using plot ideas taken from classic science fiction books.

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In the first Alien film, you never got to see the monster except its teeth. That kept it scary. In the later films, when they showed the whole thing it lost its power to shock.

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Phileas wrote:

In the first Alien film, you never got to see the monster except its teeth. That kept it scary. In the later films, when they showed the whole thing it lost its power to shock.

While I loved Alien, Aliens was still an excellent film, just a different genre.

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steve_1979 wrote:
Ashley James wrote:
shenzi wrote:

Science fiction with a sense of wonder appears to be an endangered species.

Agreed

+1

Hollywood could do better if they started using plot ideas taken from classic science fiction books.

Hollywood would do better if they started using plots. Period.

Apparently the Prometheus DVD release will have an extra 30 minutes of badly-plotted gibberish.

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shenzi wrote:

Hollywood would do better if they started using plots. Period..

I agree. You can't beat a good old fashioned story with a good script and good acting.

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It's also good when the script has surprises in it.

Some films you just sit there waiting for them to tick off the obligatory plot clichés.

I lost count in Prometheus.

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Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Apparently the Star Trek reboot sequel is being part-scripted by one of the Prometheus writers.

He also wrote Lost. That turned out well, didn't it?

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Well I finally got to see this yesterday, and I'm really surprised at the strong opinions against it!

I thought it was brilliant, will definitely pick up on Blu-Ray. The 3D didn't have a huge amount of depth so I think the film could've probably gone without, but at the same time I was glad the gimmicky coming at the screen trick wasn't overused, which often distracts me from the content itself...

shenzi - I really didn't get any of those plot inconsistencies you're talking about - David the android was clearly working towards a larger agenda that the others weren't aware of, under the orders of Weyland. The black liquid seemed to have a different effect depending on who it came into contact with, and so it actually made perfect sense that when it infected the guys DNA from the drink and he had sex with his wife, his sperm was also infected, giving her a freak-pregnancy, which may well have been part of David/Weyland's agenda (greedy corporation seeks technology/power/bio-advancements - sounds familiar!)...

Ultimately I loved it, it answered a few questions in relation to the Alien universe and posed a few more within Prometheus - what went wrong with the Engineers? How were they already aware of the existence of aliens (alien muriel on the wall)? Since Prometheus is heavily themed in creation, who created the Engineers? Why were they heading to earth with the black liquid - to destroy us or change us? Questions I really look forward to being answered in a sequel...

Visually stunning with Alien-esque landscapes, excellent acting across the board (particularly Fassbender), just the right amount of gore in scenes which all served their purpose... I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Some people also liked the 4th Star Wars film (also a prequel - maybe there's a pattern there).

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shenzi wrote:

Some people also liked the 4th Star Wars film (also a prequel - maybe there's a pattern there).

I enjoyed that, not Oscar material but decent IMO, and much better than Prometheus.

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I disliked both film 3 (the one with the teddy bears doing Robin Hood impressions) and the 4th. The first Star Wars film had a good story, a beginning, middle and end. The second was a cracking instalment in an adventure which never got finished. 3rd and 4th seemed soppy and self-indulgent.

On a more positive note, here's a blog from a screenwriter about what writers can learn from Cameron's film, Aliens

http://scriptshadow.blogspot.co.uk/2011 … -post.html


I enjoyed Aliens. Very different from (what I've seen of) the first film but very well paced.

I've just been watching Terminator and followed it with Terminator 2. Despite being from the same team, the sequel is (imo) considerably more flabby than the original. Still good fun but is a little too knowing. And the voice over at the beginning is weak.

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Yeah Aliens was very good, but many fans of the first film didn't like it. I think you'd enjoy the first one. The original Terminator is by far the best, IMO. Dark City is worth a look if you haven't seen it.

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