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Topic: Yamaha CDN-500

Yamaha is release a new CD player with integrated streaming, expected to retail for GBP500.

It could be a nice product for the person who likes the physical feel of a hifi separate but with the option to pull some files from a computer network too.

Some details below:

http://www.listeningpost.co.nz/Brands/Y … 3__C.27268

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Is the streaming function manageable for people without an engineering degree? Anyway there's only a small strip of display, which is hopeless for managing media files.

Lot's of hi-fi and multimedia components can stream sound these days. I've got a couple of those components myself. But I haven't seen one that's actually useful — except for those that works as AirPlay receivers.

AVI ADM9T : stanton ST.150 : Inday DA4X-R : Matrix mini-i : Apple TV : Tangent NET-200 : Philips 46PFL8605H : Apple MacBook Pro : Apple AirPort Extreme : WD NAS : Logitech Harmony One : Xantech IR extension
Mackie MR5 Mk2 : Parasound ZPre2 : Firestone Spitfire Mk2 : Cambridge DacMagic : Apple TV : etc.

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Interesting and good looking product.

At a very brief look I see only one USB input. It would have been good to have had a range of USB and S/PDIF inputs so it could be used as a DAC-Pre.

A missed opportunity?

Brian
Quad 77 Int Amp > AVI Neutron 4
Quad 520f > MB Quart 980s
Squeezebox Classic, Beresford Caiman-Gator DAC, Sony MDR-F1 Headphones

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Labarum wrote:

Interesting and good looking product.

At a very brief look I see only one USB input. It would have been good to have had a range of USB and S/PDIF inputs so it could be used as a DAC-Pre.

A missed opportunity?

Does it need them if it's a streaming device?

Manufacturer: www.avihifi.com / Contact: Email AVI / Blog: AVI HiFI

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I might want to connect my TV, DVD player etc to the audio system via the very decent DAC in the Yamaha box. If I have an amp and passive speakers or even active speakers without the extra features of ADMs, yes, I might. If I have ADMs with an on-board DAC-Pre, then no.

Brian
Quad 77 Int Amp > AVI Neutron 4
Quad 520f > MB Quart 980s
Squeezebox Classic, Beresford Caiman-Gator DAC, Sony MDR-F1 Headphones

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That is a product I could live with

Apple TV with bigger hd, Panasonic blu-ray, Samsung tv, denon av amp, Adam audio speakers

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Labarum wrote:

I might want to connect my TV, DVD player etc to the audio system via the very decent DAC in the Yamaha box. If I have an amp and passive speakers or even active speakers without the extra features of ADMs, yes, I might. If I have ADMs with an on-board DAC-Pre, then no.

You'd need one of the many DVD players that do the same Brian and connect via HDMI.

There's a problem getting just stereo digital out of TVs because the HD channels are only 5.1, so you need a TV with analogue and digital to cover all bases anyway.

Manufacturer: www.avihifi.com / Contact: Email AVI / Blog: AVI HiFI

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I like the retro look that Yamaha's current range of hifi separates have. cool

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Head-Fi - Epiphany Acoustics EHP-O2Di  >  Sennheiser HD700
Portable - Sony NWZ-A847  >  Westone UM3x

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Very nice.
But my heart belongs to midi or mini or micro sized gear. A lot of the full sized gear is half empty inside!

MacMini - AV Receiver - ATC SCM 50 AT + C4 Sub (ATV/BluRay + 7.1 for movies)

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Good point Alma. There's a seriously state of the art DAC and preamp in the 40s, even the analogue switching is by reed relays yet it's only about 10 x 10cms plus a transformer.

I didn't bother to describe it because I wasn't sure any of it would be audible, but it's a measurer's wet dream.

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Ashley James wrote:

There's a seriously state of the art DAC and preamp in the 40s, even the analogue switching is by reed relays yet it's only about 10 x 10cms plus a transformer.

I've said it before, Ash. I do wish AVI would put one of these Martin wonder boards in a simple case and sell it for a reasonable price, mail order. Might just be "a bit on the side" but it might sell lots. An AVI Remote control DAC-Pre must have an appeal.

Last edited by Labarum (2012-09-02 18:17:29)

Brian
Quad 77 Int Amp > AVI Neutron 4
Quad 520f > MB Quart 980s
Squeezebox Classic, Beresford Caiman-Gator DAC, Sony MDR-F1 Headphones

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I think that's more a PF product than one of ours Brian, so I doubt we'd be  able to sell it, having offended them with the ADMs.

Manufacturer: www.avihifi.com / Contact: Email AVI / Blog: AVI HiFI

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Ashley James wrote:

I think that's more a PF product than one of ours Brian, so I doubt we'd be  able to sell it, having offended them with the ADMs.

Well that's very sad.

Brian
Quad 77 Int Amp > AVI Neutron 4
Quad 520f > MB Quart 980s
Squeezebox Classic, Beresford Caiman-Gator DAC, Sony MDR-F1 Headphones

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I'd have thought that some people who like pro audio monitors would be interested in DACs with built in pre-amps. There are already several of these products available from other manufactures and I've no idea how big the market is.

An AVI DAC/pre does sound nice though.

Hi-Fi - Teufel DecoderStation 5  >  AVI DM5
Head-Fi - Epiphany Acoustics EHP-O2Di  >  Sennheiser HD700
Portable - Sony NWZ-A847  >  Westone UM3x

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Hmmm... but for the same price you could have a Sonos Connect and a pint sized spinner like the Little Dot CD Transport. 

http://littledot.net/forum/viewtopic.ph … 853e0b4c5f

I really don't see the market for these spinner/audio streamer devices... but that's just me, I guess.

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+1 for a DAC/preamp from AVI.

Put it in a tiddly little box and make it AVI owners-only to annoy everyone else.

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Ash a dac/pre could be very welcome for new owners of other active speakers from the likes of Opal,Behringer and Yamaha to name just three, it would be great for pc systems to .

Nick

Avi Adm 9.1"T"s Adm Sub Rega Ear sr60 headphones  IPod Touch 32gb Apple AEX Shure Se 425.

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nick21 wrote:

Ash a dac/pre could be very welcome for new owners of other active speakers from the likes of Opal,Behringer and Yamaha to name just three, it would be great for pc systems to .

Nick

+1

"I came here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all outta bubblegum."

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Maybe we need to start up the equivalent of a Kickstarter project. Find out the cost then those that want one can pledge to buy when its available.

Or we could threaten to add audiovile mains cables to our ADMs unless Ash and Martin relent.

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Separate box systems were frustrating for AVI because the end result cannot be guaranteed—customers may connect to anything.

Furthermore a flashy fascia is very expensive.

By building a hifi system into loudspeaker boxes AVI know what the customer will hear at home, there is little risk of explosions caused by incorrect plugging-in, and the whole package is cost effective.

Plenty of manufacturers offer DAC/pre boxes, so AVI would not have a unique selling point as they do with the ADM range.

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Darren is absolutely right and to make matters worse I don't think most can tell a good from a bad one, so with me not having the charisma of geniuses like Mr Weslake..........

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Darren wrote:

Separate box systems were frustrating for AVI because the end result cannot be guaranteed—customers may connect to anything.

Furthermore a flashy fascia is very expensive.

By building a hifi system into loudspeaker boxes AVI know what the customer will hear at home, there is little risk of explosions caused by incorrect plugging-in, and the whole package is cost effective.

Plenty of manufacturers offer DAC/pre boxes, so AVI would not have a unique selling point as they do with the ADM range.

I think you're absolutely right here.

I'd also add, that as TV's are driving the market, not HiFi, be it integrated, separates, or active loudspeakers, that as both Lowe and B&O offer TV's at sensible prices with included pre-amps/DAC's and SS processors, that such a unit is also another route to possibly consider re system building - especially if you want one neat system to do both music and movies.

I've started out along that route of integrated AV system building with the purchase of the B&O V1 with which I'm inordinately happy; but Lowe make some very good models with those sorts of features as well.

Either way, the performance on offer makes a mockery of the so called 'specialist' cottage industry assemblers mantra from a few years ago in an attempt to bolster up their sales, that one dare not sully the sound of a 2 channel stereo system with AV - it needed a completely separate system - usually regarded as 'inferior' - but more than enough for the 'noise' of movies.

History proves those mantras to be Bollocks, along with most of the other claims of the so called audiophile hi end scene.

Obviously I'm biased being the owner of such a TV, but it's a route I couldn't recommend highly enough if you want very high performance on visual and audio grounds, and to keep the box and cable count to an absolute minimum, and dressed in a very stylish and pleasing package at moderate cost.

Regards

John... cool

Life is never easy, seldom fair, but can be very rewarding - the nicest things in life are often free!

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Better still, buy a load of old TDA1541A S1 chips and re-create your 1991 DAC!

Evidently, there's still a big demand:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350584845172

cool big_smile

Joking aside, I like the idea of a new DAC/Pre - I'd try one.

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I realise that the market is heading towards integration around the TV but keep in mind that a few of us don't use the TV that much and certainly don't want to have to turn it on to use the hi-fi. There have been occasions in the last year when I've considered junking the TV altogether, especially as a projector does DVDs better.

I'm still hoping the larger AV companies will find a demand for smaller DAC/processors, rather as TEAC seem to be doing.

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shenzi wrote:

I realise that the market is heading towards integration around the TV but keep in mind that a few of us don't use the TV that much and certainly don't want to have to turn it on to use the hi-fi. There have been occasions in the last year when I've considered junking the TV altogether, especially as a projector does DVDs better.

I'm still hoping the larger AV companies will find a demand for smaller DAC/processors, rather as TEAC seem to be doing.

I can understand your comments about not using a TV that much - most of the so called freeview material here appeals to the lowest possible common denominator, usually Bogans, aka your Chavs.  Pay TV is only slightly better - one still has to put up with crass and usually obnoxious advertising, even if there is less of it thank goodness.

I don't have pay TV, and am very selective about my freeview TV viewing - news is mostly presented as infotainment, so I get it from the internet and pick and choose what I want to read about.

I do like a good documentary, natural history program or the occasional art film that pops up in the wee hours; by and large any movies on commercial channels are a waste of time as you get a diet of advertising, with a few breaks of film in between.

I'd say my use of a TV as an entertainment device is about 10 - 15% freeview TV, and the rest is DVD/Bluray movie watching.

Oh, and I'm busy encoding some of the movies and assorted youTube videos of interest that I've downloaded via the internet for viewing via the Apple TV3.

Like an active speaker, the drawback of a TV with an integrated pre-amp/DAC/SS processor is that if something dies, the lot dies.  But it's a price I'm willing to pay for the neatness of installation, minimal box & cable count etc.

Turning a TV on to listen to music does seem a bit unnatural at first, but one simply pushes a button to 'mute' the video circuitry and with it the picture - so now you have a box masquerading as a TV turned off, but in fact acting as a preamp/DAC/SS processor, with a source and active speakers connected to it.

I agree re the use of a projector and may go down that route one day, funds permitting - albeit they're very much a darkened room, evening experience; but for that large screen viewing effect, there's nothing quite like a projector, and the prices of even 1080p ones are coming down to sensible levels.

Regards

John... cool

Life is never easy, seldom fair, but can be very rewarding - the nicest things in life are often free!